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The name of Holy Spirit


Onnyx : Slay the Dragon (Through the Spirit)

God has a personal name. God’s Son has a personal name. The Holy Spirit has a personal name. This much should be obvious. The meaning of God's name is described within the Bible as I Am. The meaning of the Son’s name is described in the Bible as The Savior. Understanding the relationship of the Father and Son depends on understanding their names and the meaning of those names. So, what is the personal name of the Spirit and what does it mean, and does this matter?

I found 1 John 4:6 to be the closest to a specific statement about what the name of the Holy Spirit is, and also whether it matters.


We are from God; the person who knows God listens to us, but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of deceit.
(1 John 4:6 — New English Translation)


In 1 John 4:6, we see English the word truth associated with the Holy Spirit, and especially contrasted against the word deceit. While the English word truth is a close match for the meaning, If you take this Greek word (ἀλήθεια : al-ay'-thi-yah) to be naming the Spirit as well as describing the Spirit, It might open the Scriptures up. This is especially true in the Gospel and letters of John. Also, here John describes that other spirits exist, so being able to discern the Holy Spirit from false spirits becomes essential.


The name of the Spirit in the Gospel of John

If we take the word ἀλήθεια to be a proper name for the Holy Spirit, it strengthens the Bible in many ways. I am proposing this as an idea to be considered. I haven't looked for any final destinations that lead to traps of theology. This idea was revealed to me through prayer and topical research many years ago, and it has been a backbone of my faith through difficult times. When I search briefly for affirmations of the Name of the Spirit by scholars, I see none, so there is likely a fundamental flaw in this idea. After years of holding it quietly, this morning I was lead to share this, to seek feedback.


And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
(John 1:14 — KJV)


If you take the word truth to be the name of the Spirit in this verse, it suddenly becomes an affirmation of the trinity, and a more complete statement that the gift of the grace by the father through the son brings the indwelling of the spirit. <\p>


But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
(John 4:23-24 — KJV)


Here, the verse seems to be naming the spirit as you read above in 1 John 4:6. This verse also affirms the word is being used as a proper name of the Holy Spirit.


You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
(John 8:32 — KJV)


In this verse, It becomes clear that Truth is a name. If truth is not a proper name, then this verse taken at its meaning is in conflict with much of the rest of the bible, since truth alone sets noone free. When you read this verse as the name of the spirit, then the verse is in harmony and this verse is as powerful as John 3:16.


... The devil ... was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
(John 8:44 — KJV)


Here we see evidence that Truth is the spirit through the description of being inside and the evidence that lies are not of the spirit.


Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.
(John 18:37-38 — KJV)


In this last mention of the word ἀλήθεια in the Gospel of John, the complete meaning of the section is so much more clear when the word is translated into a proper name for the Spirit.


I'm using the King James Version here only because my only real way to get at the Greek words in the new testament are through a program that can search by Strongs Greek reference numbers, and the text I have access to with strongs encoding is the King James Version. As always, I strongly encourage reading these references in their complete original sections in multiple modern versions to fully appreciate the implications I suggest in the next few lines.

Logos

Music: Caedmon's Call - Before there was time (lyrics)




RE: John 1:1 in the Daniel Mace New Testament

Background:

In a recent discussion on theology (that will be apparent, but I don't want to really get into, as will be seen) The first chapter of John came up.




I've got a long list of English Bible translations, and when I'm confronted with an issue, I like to research what the various translations have said through the years.

Discussion:

From the earliest English Versions through the beginning of the 20th Century, John 1 is fairly uniformly translated with a few exceptions. While some variations in John 1 seem to be controversial, one translation in the 18th Century caught my eye as uniquely different.

In 1729, Daniel Mace Translated John 1:1-4 by using a fonetic spelling of the greek word "Logos" instead of translating it to an English word. His Translation appeared in parallel collumns to the actual Greek text, so this made me wonder what he was trying to get across.
Why transliterate instead of translate if the goal is to improve understanding? What did Logos mean in 1729? For that matter, what did LOGOS mean in AD40-100 when the Gospel was written.

The work by Daniel Mace is not a consensus work that represents a large body of people's ideas about what the Bible should say in English. It is a work by a single person. As such, I do not endorse it as a primary source of scripture. However, to fully understand what the Bible in English is telling us, studying the variations does help to understand what the bible doesn't say, and it does sometimes illuminate things that are lost.

If you study Greek mythology at all, and even if you haven't, you probably are aware that in the time of Jesus, the Idea of a single 'God' was not popular. Back then, gods weren't almighty beings, but were just powerful humanoids that could be tricked by humans. However, There was in the time of Jesus an awareness among Greek contemporaries that Everything on the planet seemed to fit into a grand scheme. Life was not best explained by stories about the gods. Everything seemed to be ordered into a grand scheme, a grand plan. everything on the planet seemed to have a place, and everything fit together too well for it to be a random collection of events. Today scholars call this idea 'intellegent design'. In the time of Jesus, in Greece, this idea was referred to as "Logos". That idea of "Logos" is best represented today by the "LOGIC" rules we use in Geometry.

As John wrote the Gospel for the Greek Polytheistic world, He didn't try to declare the Almighty was actually Zeus or Prometheus. He declared right up front that God wasn't a god (an object in the world with special powers, affected by other beings), but was in fact Logos (the plan by which the world came into existence, and by which the whole world continues.) The idea of "Bible" was still 200 years in the future. Scriptures in Jesus days were known as "the Law", "the prophets", and "the writings", so if John had been referring to the scriptures in John 1:1, He likely would have used the plural of Logos, since there were many volumes involved.

Today, "Word" is The standard English translation used for Logos in the first chapter of John is "Word". This goes back to the first English Translation by Wyclif's group. I strongly suspect that in 1380, "The Word" was at that time not understood to mean strictly the canonized Bible, but was understood to mean something closer to what John originally wrote. Words weren't cheap in 1380, 50 years before the press was invented. You planned carefully what you would write and spent TIME on each single letter.

If in John 1, Logos is Translated as Plan:

1. Before there was time, there was The Plan. The Plan was with God, and God was The Plan.
. . .
14. The Plan became flesh and dwelt among us...


It would represent the meaning of What John intended as well or better than the grandfathered-in "Word".


I'm still developing this idea... and would like your feedback. Please feel free to comment.

The Deadly Sin

Music : Push - Till We Meet Again (Original Mix) (lyrics)



Luke 12:10

Everyone who says something against the Son of Man will be forgiven. But the person who dishonors the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. : (God's Word to the Nations 1995)

"If you bad-mouth the Son of Man out of misunderstanding or ignorance, that can be overlooked. But if you're knowingly attacking God himself, taking aim at the Holy Spirit, that won't be overlooked. (The Message 2003)

Yet those who speak against the Son of Man may be forgiven, but anyone who speaks blasphemies against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. (New Living Testament)



Sometimes, The Gospels make more sense to me when I take the paragraphs and read them backwards. I find sometimes Jesus embeds (thats a geek term for hide) the meaning up front, then supports it afterward. I'm dyslexic in a way, so to get the point that the supporting statements support and not the obvious (mis)leading statement all by itself, I'll read backward when I hit a 'what?' moment.

I'm not "learned" but I am confident biblical Greek grammar supports construct as normal. This way of leading with a conclusion then following with the reasons. If you read all the reasons though, the conclusion seems different than the leading statement by itself.

This paragraph (Luke 12:2-12) seems to be a good example of "read it backward to understand better." First, read the MSG forward, then the backward version below.  Note that I've reversed each 'thought' like I do when I hit a moment where the supports seem to topple the first statement.

Luke 12:12-2

12b The Holy Spirit will give you the right words when the time comes.
12a The right words will be there.
11 When they drag you into their meeting places, or into police courts and before judges, don't worry about defending yourselves--what you'll say or how you'll say it.
10b If you're knowingly attacking God himself, taking aim at the Holy Spirit, that won't be overlooked.
10a But If you bad-mouth the Son of Man out of misunderstanding or ignorance, that can be overlooked.
9 But if you pretend you don't know me, do you think I'll defend you before God's angels?
8 "Stand up for me among the people you meet and the Son of Man will stand up for you before all God's angels.
7b So don't be intimidated by all this bully talk. You're worth more than a million canaries.
7a And he pays even greater attention to you, down to the last detail--even numbering the hairs on your head!
6 What's the price of two or three pet canaries? Some loose change, right? But God never overlooks a single one.
5 Save your fear for God, who holds your entire life--body and soul--in his hands.
4d There's nothing "they" can do to your soul, your core being.
4c True, they can kill you, but then what can they do?
4b Don't be bluffed into silence or insincerity by the threats of religious bullies.
4a I'm speaking to you as dear friends.
3 You can't whisper one thing in private and preach the opposite in public; the day's coming when those whispers will be repeated all over town.
2c You can't hide behind a religious mask forever; sooner or later the mask will slip and your true face will be known.
2b before long you'll be exposed.
2a You can't keep your true self hidden forever;
(The Message)

When Jesus starts this lesson, it appears the ones hiding behind masks are the pharisees, but when you get to the bottom, it more or less says that the spirit will guide you when and what to say, so don't try to hold in the words. Reading it backward (for me who just gets it slow) Speak out if the spirit says to, if you are sure it's the spirit.

Holding in a word will 1. Get you on the B list (unless your out to replace Christ himself, or something like that...) 2. not work anyway... if someone's out to point fingers, your mouth open or closed is not going to help one bit.



Now that we talked about the big picture, we now look at the subject of this blog. Specifically, the words within this paragraph that say most things are forgiven except the "blasphemy against the Holy Ghost" (Luke 12:10 King James Version). This subject of the unforgivable sin brings up questions about "blasphemy" and "holy ghost" and "against" that consume volumes and still don't answer convincingly exactly what is the unforgivable sin. Did Nicodemus commit such a sin when he seemed to imply that Jesus 'second birth' involved reentering a womb for a second time? 

If I name my wireless router 'John-3-8', am I being too irreverent? I pray this will be seen as evangelism, not blasphemy. Maybe someone without internet searching for a free ride will get curious what the verse refers to and look it up. I change the name of my router from time to time (on purpose) to various related verses as a tool of evangelism.

Back to blasphemy of the Holy Ghost: I don't think Nicodemus in his ignorance was condemned eternally just and only because of that impious statement which seems to be irreverent against the Holy Ghost. The passage in The Message above includes the word 'intentionally' in the verse 12 which, whether or not has basis in the original greek, does seem to fit the cause. Just about all non-believers are blaspheming against the spirit if irreverence counts for them. So, to be unforgivable, the perpetrator should be first Christian, or at least understand Christianity well enough to know what crime he is committing. But even then, I don't think that taking the Spirit lightly or using it in ways that are not pious is unforgivable. Maybe I should do more homework tho, to make sure my use of John 3:8 isn't unforgivable.

So, lets look at the other types of blasphemy to try to understand what the 'unforgivable sin' is:




blas⋅phe⋅my (ˈblæsfəmi ; [blas-fuh-mee])
–noun, plural -mies.
1. impious utterance or action concerning God or sacred things.
2a. (in Judaism) an act of cursing or reviling God.
2b. (in Judaism) pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton (YHVH) in the original, now forbidden manner instead of using a substitute pronunciation such as Adonai.
3. (in Theology) the crime of assuming to oneself the rights or qualities of God.
4. irreverent behavior toward anything held sacred, priceless, etc.: He uttered blasphemies against life itself.
                 (Dictionary.com)



We've covered  the 1st definition and some aspects of the 4th definition (but I will discuss the non-GOD aspects of the 4th definition.
So, the 2nd form of blasphemy defined by dictionary.com are the Blasphemies of Judaism (old testament?): the act of cursing or reviling God, and the pronunciation of the tetragrammaton (YHVH). Are they unforgivable sins? the 2nd one is definitely not, since it by definition is a sin against the Father, not the spirit. Likewise cursing God or Jesus would be forgivable sins since they do not invoke the spirit. However, the form of blasphemy that includes trying to curse the spirit itself doesn't by definition exclude itself, and to curse the spirit, one must have enough knowledge of the trinity to know about the Spirit. I'm no judge, but I'd steer clear of making curses against or about the Spirit.

The next  form of blasphemy, according to the dictionary, is Theological Blasphemy: Trying to take the rights or qualities of God. In this form of Blasphemy is it only speaking of God the father? Investigating further, it would seem that you could commit blasphemy against each part of the trinity or the trinity itself by taking the rights or qualities of them.  And again, the sin of claiming to be God the father or son could be forgiven, but claiming the rights or qualities of the spirit is dangerous ground. Ignorance may provide some covering. If I claim to have the authority of God, I would likely be blaspheeming, but not unforgivably. (The better way to say something like this would be to declare my actions by the authority of God and Jesus. That is, there are leaders (people who DO things in the name of Christ) on Earth, but all authority (respect, fear, worship) belongs to Christ and God. If I claimed to be able to heal people because I have the authority of the spirit, that might be an unforgivable sin (The better way to say something like that is that the spirit heals through believers, but never take the credit from the spirit.)

The last form of blasphemy listed at the website is the blasphemy of irreverent behavior. This form of blasphemy is similar to the first and overlaps considerably, but it is much broader in that the 'sacred traditions' need not be divinely inspired.  While attending a megachurch last year, my phone range 3.1 minutes into the live televised sermon.  It was very clear I had blasphemed the traditions in place there (obey the silence). I consider having your cellphone with you in church a distraction (and therefore something like a 2nd master). Normally I leave my phone in the car, but on this day I had ridden with a friend and I do believe I have committed blasphemy that day, but not against God or the spirit or Jesus, but against those who believe that perfect silence is required while taping is in progress.  That is, this was an offront to others, but no sin was committed.



DND




Do not, friend, imitate the bad, but the good. The well-doer is from God; the wrong-doer has not seen God. (3 John 11 - 1901 Holy Bible in Modern English)



If you've read this verse in other versions of the bible, It reads very different. I've checked many of them, and they speak of "the person" or "He" who does good vs evil or some variation of that. This version captures a concept lost in most of the English translations that was present in the Greek. The Good isn't exactly declared to be a person in the Greek versions.

Note that we are to imitate the good, not the bad.

Then note that the good is from God (FROM, not WITH, OF or FOR.)

Then note that the wrong-doer is anyone (everyone) who has not seen God.

This subject is covered many other places, but here is summed up in one clear statement. As Christians, we are not to imitate people (even "good" people.) We should seek to imitate the one God sent to save us. If you look at the Greek translation it is clear that the original text is saying not to imitate any person, but Christ himself.

Paul speaks the same subject in Galations 1, and Jesus spoke the same message throughout his ministry.



Unity

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John 17:1,20-23

1 Jesus looked up to heaven and said
. . .
20 ... I'm also praying for those who will believe in me through their message. 21 I pray that all of these people continue to have unity in the way that you, Father, are in me and I am in you. I pray that they may be united with us so that the world will believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me. I did this so that they are united in the same way we are. 23 I am in them, and you are in me. So they are completely united. In this way the world knows that you have sent me and that you have loved them in the same way you have loved me.




To call ourselves Christian, we must reconcile with the fact that others who call themselves Christians don't always have the same Creed, but we must be unified in Christ. St. John's audience was the world, and much more of of his message dealt with unity, and how to reconcile who is to be considered unified in Christ.



This is how we are to test ourselves:



1 John 2:3-6


3 We are sure that we know Christ if we obey his commandments. 4 The person who says, "I know him," but doesn't obey his commandments is a liar. The truth isn't in that person. 5 But whoever obeys what
Christ says is the kind of person in whom God's love is perfected. That's how we know we are in Christ. 6 Those who say that they live in him must live the same way he lived.

1 John 2:9-11

9 Those who say that they are in the light but hate other believers are still in the dark. 10 Those who love other believers live in the light. Nothing will destroy the faith of those who live in the light. 11 Those who hate other believers are in the dark and live in the dark. They don't know where they're going, because they can't see in the dark.

The scriptures I read tell me I'm not supposed to judge others, but to love them, and especially other Christians. I can suggest certain actions are correct or not, and even suggest people should test themselves, but I'm nobody's judge, because I'm nowhere near perfect.

I try to ask how I'm wrong as often as I can. If you see me stepping out of line, I'd really like to know it. If you want to know how off I am, just ask. Life for me is a long string of learning from my mistakes.